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MessageSujet: Re: KUNDUN : la Présence.   Mar 8 Nov - 21:40

Oui, il est joli ce chat avec son citron vert (ou autre fruit de cette couleur) sur la tête.
alien

Pour prendre la défense de M.E., et en relation avec les propos où pétille l'esprit de finesse de Vea, j'ai bien l'impression que notre excellent roadrunner de la voie médiane n'a besoin de prendre aucun élixir pour être ainsi inspiré. C'est sa condition habituelle. Il est tombé dans la marmite de potion magique quand il était petit.
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MessageSujet: Re: KUNDUN : la Présence.   Mar 8 Nov - 21:52

Organic Goji Berries, from Tibet
Description: The Freshest Goji Berries Anywhere - Taste & Believe!
Drink Fresh, Live Goji Berry Juice, made in your home blender -
Everyday!!! The Tibetan Goji berry has been used in traditional
Mongolian and Tibetan medicine for centuries! The fruit contains
polysaccharides, which have been demonstrated to strongly fortify the
immune system. This same polysaccharide has been found to be a
secretagogue, that is, a substance that stimulates the secretion in the
pituitary gland of human growth hormone, a powerful innate anti-aging
hormone. It is the richest source of carotenoids, including beta
carotene (more beta carotene than carrots), of all known foods or
plants on earth! It is a powerful antioxidant and is traditionally
believed to fortify the body against disease and to provide the energy
to overcome difficult obstacles in healing. Beta-carotene can be
transformed into vitamin A under the influence of human liver enzymes.
Being rich in trace minerals, Tibetan Goji berries contain significant
amounts of zinc, calcium, germanium, selenium and phosphorus, plus
small quantities of many others. The Tibetan Goji berry is among the
most revered of sexual tonic herbs in Asian herbalism and has been
recognized to increase sexual fluids and enhance fertility. In Mongolia
it is commonly used by first trimester mothers to prevent morning
sickness. It is a gentle and soothing fruit that is loaded with
available vitality. In several study groups with elderly people the
berry was given once a day for 3 weeks, with many beneficial results
being experienced. 67% of the patients ‘ T cell transformation
functions tripled and the activity of the patients' white cell
interleukin-2 doubled. In addition, the results showed that all the
patients’ spirit and optimism increased significantly, appetite
improved in 95% of the patients, 95% of the patients slept better and
35% of the patients partially recovered their sexual function. The Goji
berry has absolutely no toxicity. However like most fruits, it should
not be used if you are suffering from Spleen deficiency with dampness
and diarrhea. This berry is now being used in clinical settings for a
number of common maladies including the treatment of consumptive
disease accompanied by thirst such as early-onset diabetes and
tuberculosis, dizziness, blurred vision, and chronic cough. In the
treatment of diabetes. 8-10 grams of fruit was steamed and eaten each
time, three times daily (steaming softens the fruits). The daily dosage
range of 8-30 grams is typical of medical applications being done at
this time in several countries. The berry has also been used in a
number of recent clinical trials for treatment of bone marrow
deficiency conditions (low production of red blood cells, white blood
cells, and platelets). The Mongolian Institute of Traditional Medicine
reported that Goji berry has been used in the treatment of atrophic
gastritis, weakened digestion due to reduced stomach activity. Patients
consumed 10 grams of the whole fruits each time, three times daily
before meals for two months and longer with excellent results. The
Tibetan Goji berry contains 18 kinds of amino acids (six times higher
than bee pollen), of which 8 are indispensable amino acids for the
human body (such as isoleucine and tryptophan). 50% of the berry’s
amino acids are free amino acid. The berries contain 21 trace minerals,
(of which the main ones are zinc, iron and copper) and 500 times the
amount of vitamin C by weight than oranges. It is loaded with vitamin
B1, B2, B6 and vitamin E. Mature fruits contain about 11 mg. of iron
per 100 grams, as well as glucose, fructose, vitamin C, beta-sitosterol
(an anti-inflammatory agent), linoleic acid (a fatty acid),
sesquiterpenoids (cyperone, solavetivone), tetraterpenoids (zeaxanthin,
physalin), and betaine (0.1%). Tibetan Goji berries are now undergoing
intense scrutiny as a cancer drug in Mongolia, China, Japan and
Switzerland. It has been found that the fruit, as well as an extract
from its leaves, can kill many kinds of cancer cells in vitro. In vivo
studies and human studies are proving to be highly promising. The
berries contain 124 ppm of organic Germanium. Germanium has been
demonstrated to have anti-cancer activity. Japanese studies indicate
that organic Germanium is effective in treating liver cancer, lung
cancer, uterine cancer, cervical cancer, and testicular cancer when
combined with other drugs. It has been found to induce the production
in human beings of g-interferon. Interferon can depress and even kill
cancer cells. Germanium possesses the power to take over the hydrogen
ion from cancer cells. Losing hydrogen ions can cause depression and
even death to cancer cells. Besides Germanium, this berry has other
components that act against cancer. These other components appear to be
able to depress or block the synthesis of the cancer cells' DNA, which
interferes with the cells' ability to divide and thus lowers the
reproductive capacity of the cancer cells. The Tibetan Goji berry of
the Solanaceae family has also been tested as an anti-obesity drug.
Patients were given 30 grams each morning and each afternoon, made into
a tea. Results were excellent with most patients losing significant
weight. Goji's are wonderful and delicious tonic fruits which have
traditionally been used as a blood tonic, used to nurture the heart, to
relieve heart palpitation, insomnia, forgetfulness and anxiety
associated with blood and chi deficiency, especially when combined with
chi tonics.
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MessageSujet: Re: KUNDUN : la Présence.   Mer 9 Nov - 0:43

Des baies de Goji bio du Tibet ?!

Grâce à vous nous découvrons un nouveau monde !

M.E. votre inspiration vient aussi des baies Goji bio du Tibet ?!

" The Freshest Goji Berries Anywhere - Taste & Believe!
Drink Fresh, Live Goji Berry Juice, made in your home blender -
Everyday!!! "


Et vos amis de New York vous ont-ils branché sur ce nouvel élixir ?!!
alien

Et tout état de cause, le Tibet fait vendre, et cet intéressant message ci-dessus, qui est surtout très suprenant et amusant, témoigne que tout un marketing tend à se structurer autour de ses mythes... Si les lamas ne font plus recette autant que dans les années 80, pourquoi certains n'essayeraient pas de promouvoir un "Tibet bio", avec des "fresheners", des "organic foods" et des "compléments alimentaires spirituels" pour rendre la jeunesse aux Occidentaux vieillissants, le tout bien ficelé dans un packaging new age... :

" Everyday!!! The Tibetan Goji berry has been used in traditional Mongolian and Tibetan medicine for centuries! The fruit contains polysaccharides, which have been demonstrated to strongly fortify the immune system. This same polysaccharide has been found to be a secretagogue, that is, a substance that stimulates the secretion in the pituitary gland of human growth hormone, a powerful innate anti-aging hormone. "

Il ne manquait plus que la promotion de cette merveille de la nature... au nom de la mystique et de l'aura de mystère des cultures tibéto-mongoles...
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MessageSujet: Re: KUNDUN : la Présence.   Mer 9 Nov - 1:26

Oh le sel de l'Himalaya a aussi la cote dans les milieux bio. Je vois pas ce qu'il a de plus que le sel gemme de Bavière si ce n'est l'exotisme Rolling Eyes
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MessageSujet: Re: KUNDUN : la Présence.   Mer 9 Nov - 12:56

Je me demande si ce n'est pas tout simplement un canular, surtout qu'il y a peu de temps, j'avais également reçu cela, toujours de New York, effectivement :

From the issue dated October 28, 2005

The Man Who Would Murder Death

A rogue researcher challenges scientists to reverse human aging
Related materials

List: Aubrey de Grey's seven-step plan to "cure" aging

Colloquy: Join a live, online discussion with Aubrey de Grey, a
biogerontologist,
about his theory that, in the not-so-distant future, no one will die of
old age, on Tuesday, November 1 , at 1 p.m., U.S. Eastern time


By THOMAS BARTLETT

Cambridge, England

If you wish to be a prophet, first you must dress the part. No more
silk ties or tasseled loafers. Instead, throw on a wrinkled T-shirt,
frayed jeans, and dirty sneakers. You should appear somewhat unkempt,
as if combs and showers were only for the unenlightened. When you
encounter critics, as all prophets do, dismiss them as idiots. Make
sure to pepper your conversation with grandiose predictions and remind
others of your genius often, lest they forget. Oh, and if possible,
grow a very long beard.

By these measures, Aubrey de Grey is indeed a prophet. The 42-year-old
English biogerontologist has made his name by claiming that some people
alive right now could live for 1,000 years or longer. Maybe much
longer. Growing old is not, in his view, an inevitable consequence of
the human condition; rather, it is the result of accumulated damage at
the cellular and molecular levels that medical advances will soon be
able to prevent — or even reverse — allowing people to go on living
pretty much indefinitely. We'll still have to worry about angry bears
and falling pianos, but aging, the biggest killer of all, will cease to
be a threat. Death, as we know it, will die.

Mainstream gerontologists do not agree and hate to even raise the topic
in public. They shy away from talk about life extension or "curing"
aging and prefer to focus on keeping older people healthy for as long
as possible, a goal referred to in the discipline as "compression of
morbidity" or "healthspan." Many of them write off Mr. de Grey as more
beard than brain.

So ... is he crazy? Not in the sense that he is divorced from reality
or just making things up as he goes along. Mr. de Grey is a serious,
thoughtful, sincere, prolific, even brilliant researcher and thinker
who seems to have devoted every last ounce of his intellect to
conquering the single biggest medical menace facing mankind. Along the
way, he has acquired plenty of supporters and detractors — and gained
the respect of some of the top scientists in the world.

He even has a plan. It is, to say the least, ambitious, and it depends
on a number of techniques and treatments that have yet to be developed
(curing cancer, for instance, is one of the steps). His approach, which
he has dubbed Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence, draws
from different branches of science and medicine and is enough to spin
the heads of specialists and nonspecialists alike. It has also caused a
stir, something Mr. de Grey certainly knows how to do. "One hundred and
fifty thousand people die every day, and two-thirds of those die of
aging in one way or the other," he says, while nursing a pint of fine
English ale. "If I speed up the cure for aging by one day, then I've
saved 100,000 people." He pauses thoughtfully for a moment. "Actually,
I probably do that every week."

Seven Steps to Eternal Life

He made this bold pronouncement, and several more like it, late one
evening during a recent conference here that could have been called
"The Aubrey de Grey Symposium on Cheating Death." He organized it,
chose each of the speakers, decided when and for how long they should
speak, and helped coordinate travel arrangements. He could even be
spotted handing out name tags at the sign-in desk. Sessions began at
8:30 a.m., and it wasn't unusual to hear Mr. de Grey arguing well past
midnight about the moral imperative of curing aging.

The speakers were invited because their specialties all, in some way,
fit into Mr. de Grey's seven-step plan to keep people from growing old.
Each of the steps is related to the death of cells. For instance, Mr.
de Grey recommends using stem-cell therapy to introduce new cells that
can fill in the gaps left by dead ones. He also suggests that plaques
that accumulate around cells — which may be responsible for diseases
like Alzheimer's — can be dissolved with small molecules called
"beta-breakers."

If that sounds a little vague, it is. Mr. de Grey is not saying he
knows for certain how to fix these problems, only that these are the
problems responsible for the physical breakdowns we experience as we
grow older. Lick them, and you've licked aging, or so the thinking
goes.

Among the speakers was Anthony Atala, director of the Wake Forest
Institute for Regenerative Medicine at Wake Forest University. Dr.
Atala, a surgeon and a researcher, explained how he and his colleagues
are growing new human tissue and organs — bladders, kidneys, blood
vessels, cartilage — in the laboratory using a patient's own cells.

For example, a few healthy cells could be taken from a cancer-stricken
bladder and used to a grow a new bladder, which could theoretically
then be transplanted with a very low chance of rejection. In 1999, Dr.
Atala's team became the first to successfully transplant a lab-grown
organ — by placing a new bladder in a beagle. Clinical trials will
begin soon to see if this procedure also works in humans.

A few of Dr. Atala's PowerPoint slides show human organs that have
never been inside a human. The images are at once disturbing and
thrilling.

It may seem surprising that someone of Dr. Atala's stature was a
featured speaker at an on-the-fringe conference. Although he declines
to pass judgment on Mr. de Grey's more-extreme prognostications, he
clearly respects him. "Aubrey is highly visionary and very selfless in
his approach," Dr. Atala says. "It takes people like Aubrey to say
'Hey, look at this again. Maybe there is another way to do this.'"

Perhaps the biggest celebrity at the conference was Woo Suk Hwang, a
South Korean researcher who has shocked the scientific world in the
last few years with his laboratory's achievements. This summer Dr.
Hwang and his colleagues at Seoul National University announced that
they had cloned a dog, a feat researchers around the world had been
trying to accomplish for years. Dogs are considered to be one of the
trickiest animals to clone because of their unique reproductive system.
Like a proud papa, Dr. Hwang showed a brief video of the cloned Afghan
hound frolicking with several canine companions. "The dog is very
cute," he said in careful, heavily accented English.

In May, Dr. Hwang announced that he had cloned human embryos and
created 11 stem-cell lines that are genetically matched to 11
patients — a milestone that some believed would not be reached for
years or possibly decades. Because his work often involves embryonic
stem-cell lines and therapeutic cloning, Dr. Hwang has been criticized
by opponents of cloning, and the Bush administration has even expressed
concern over such research. At the moment there are few people in
science generating more controversy or jealousy. As one conferencegoer
put it: "Right now the man has to be walking on air."

And yet there he was, along with dozens of other well-regarded
scientists who study anticancer therapies, immune-system disorders, or
cellular aging. There were also less-mainstream researchers who look at
topics like how to preserve tissue cryogenically. It was a strange
hodgepodge of scientists who would probably never meet otherwise.
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From Love, A Crusade

The man who brought them together began his career as a computer
scientist, working for several years on programs that find bugs in
other programs. He later received his Ph.D. in biology from the
University of Cambridge and devoted himself, in a sense, to finding the
bugs in human beings.

An important turning point in Mr. de Grey's personal and professional
life occurred at a friend's party in 1990. That's when he met Adelaide
Carpenter, who would later become Adelaide de Grey. When they met, Mr.
de Grey was a computer scientist in his twenties and had never been
married. His wife-to-be was in her forties and had been married twice
before. Despite the 19-year age difference, they fell for each other
immediately and have been together ever since.

At the time, Ms. de Grey was on sabbatical from her position as a
professor of genetics at the University of California at San Diego. She
had already established her reputation in the discipline (and made some
discoveries that are now in textbooks) and had a comfortable, tenured
position. But she had grown tired of her research and her job. So,
after she met Mr. de Grey, she decided to quit, move to Cambridge, and
work as a technician in a fruit-fly laboratory. It was a big step down
professionally, but she enjoyed her work and the company of her new
husband.

The age difference was unimportant to Ms. de Grey: What mattered to her
was intellectual compatibility. "I need my male partner to be smarter
than I am," she explains. "And — I'm trying to be modest here — that
narrows down the field quite a bit." Does her husband fit that bill?
She nods vigorously. "Oh yes."

Ms. de Grey taught her husband genetics over the dinner table. She was
amazed at how quickly he could absorb the concepts. "Very shortly we
were able to have a conversation rather than a tutorial," she says.
While talking about her academic career and her relationship, Ms. de
Grey is puffing away steadily on an unfiltered Camel. Mr. de Grey would
like her to quit, but she's been a smoker since she was a teenager and
believes that nicotine is necessary to kick-start her brain. Unlike her
husband, Ms. de Grey has no wish to live forever. She has not agreed to
be cryogenically frozen when she dies. (Mr. de Grey has, just in case
medicine does not advance speedily enough to save him.)

"I don't think anyone would want to thaw me out," she says and smiles,
revealing a mouth mostly devoid of teeth.

When the software project Mr. de Grey had been working on didn't pan
out, he got a part-time job designing a database for fruit-fly
researchers at the lab where his wife worked. It is a position he still
holds; as it turns out, being a prophet is not a sufficiently
remunerative profession. In 1995, after having absorbed a great deal of
genetics, Mr. de Grey moved on to gerontology, a subject that had
always intrigued him. For two months he immersed himself in the
literature. He emerged with an insight into the mechanics of
mitochondrial mutations, wrote a paper on what he thought, and
submitted it to a respected journal.

It was accepted. He was off to a good start.

Mr. de Grey continued reading widely on the subject and soon came to
the conclusion that not much was being done. "I assumed that everyone
was beavering away on aging," he says. "But it gradually occurred to me
that I might be wrong about that." The field, he believed, needed him.
"Gerontology has more than its share of not terribly bright people," he
says. That's because, according to Mr. de Grey, progress is
incremental, so there's less chance for a young researcher to make a
big splash, and consequently, the best minds go elsewhere.

One will not find Mr. de Grey in the laboratory hovering over petri
dishes or test tubes. He readily acknowledges that he lacks the
qualifications to perform experiments. What some might view as a
handicap, he sees as a strength: Rather than spending his time behind a
microscope, he reads the literature and searches for connections that a
specialist may have missed.

Buoyed by his early success, Mr. de Grey started thinking bigger. He
came to believe that most people in the world, including most
scientists, are in a "pro-aging trance." That is, they believe that
getting old is awful but inevitable and therefore it is best not to
think about it. But what if aging were preventable? What if death were
not a foregone conclusion?

He is not the first person to propose such an idea. But a couple of
things set Aubrey de Grey apart from other eternal-life prophets. For
starters, he is a bona fide scholar. Other researchers can, and often
do, disagree with his conclusions, but they also acknowledge that he
knows what he is talking about.

Also, Mr. de Grey is not hawking a product or hustling investors for
some biotech start-up. He does raise money to fund the Methuselah
Foundation, which among other things is responsible for the Methuselah
Mouse Prize (awarded to the scientific research team that develops the
longest-living mouse), and for the Institute of Biomedical Gerontology,
which at this stage is just a proposal. But he's not trying to get
rich. And the apparent purity of his motives, along with a genuine
grasp of the science, is part of his appeal.

A Bounty on His Theory

He also has a talent for drumming up publicity. His eccentricities (the
long beard, the thrift-store clothes, the pub crawling) appeal to
journalists looking for a colorful feature subject. There is also his
willingness — eagerness, in fact — to explain his plan for fighting
aging to any reporter with a notebook and time to kill. More publicity,
he hopes, will lead to more donations. The donations can then be used
to help finance the kinds of research Mr. de Grey believes are most
important.

Not every article, however, has taken a gee-whiz tone. In February,
Technology Review, which is owned by the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology, published an article about Mr. de Grey along with an
editorial written by Jason Pontin, the magazine's editor. The article,
by Sherwin Nuland, a clinical professor of surgery at Yale University's
School of Medicine and the author of How We Die, concluded that Mr. de
Grey was "neither a madman nor a bad man" but that his plan "will
almost certainly not succeed." And, even if it did, Mr. de Grey "would
surely destroy us in attempting to preserve us" because living for such
long periods would undermine what it means to be human.

The editorial took a more ad hominem approach. Mr. Pontin wrote that
Mr. de Grey "drinks too much beer" and that even though he's just in
his early 40s "the signs of decay are strongly marked on his face." He
also called the potential social consequences of extending life
indefinitely "terrible" and wrote that Mr. de Grey "thinks he is a
technological messiah."

The response to the article and the editorial was extraordinary and
extremely negative. Mr. Pontin says he has received thousands of e-mail
messages, many of them from "enraged" readers. "It was as if I was
personally depriving them of the possibility of immortality," he says.
The online version of the article has been clicked on nearly a million
times, making it by far the most-read article in the history of the
magazine.

Readers criticized the magazine for dismissing Mr. de Grey's ideas as
ludicrous without ever fully engaging with them. Because of the
enormous and unexpected reaction, Mr. Pontin decided to do something
unusual: He commissioned Cynthia Kenyon, a professor of biochemistry
and biophysics at the University of California at San Francisco and
director of the Hillblom Center for the Biology of Aging, to review Mr.
de Grey's ideas and write a follow-up. Ms. Kenyon is well-known among
gerontologists and has made some important discoveries of her own. By
altering a gene in a roundworm, she extended its life span from two
weeks to 20 weeks, which may or may not have implications for humans.

Ms. Kenyon agreed to write the article and then, three months later,
she backed out. Why she did this remains unclear. She declined a
telephone interview with The Chronicle, citing a hectic travel
schedule, but in an e-mail message wrote that she was "overwhelmed with
other commitments then and didn't have time to do a good job."

Mr. Pontin then decided to put a bounty of sorts on Mr. de Grey,
offering $10,000 to any gerontologist who could prove to an independent
review panel that his ideas about radical life-extension had no merit.
Mr. de Grey then upped the ante, matching the $10,000 through his
Methuselah Foundation, making the prize for debunking him a generous
$20,000.

You might think researchers would be lining up. In fact, no: So far Mr.
Pontin has had no takers. He has also had trouble finding scientists
willing to sit on the independent panel. Mr. de Grey sees the entire
episode as a giant victory, particularly the fact that a prominent
scientist such as Ms. Kenyon took up the project, then abandoned it.
This is proof, he says, that "they can't ignore me any longer."

For Mr. Pontin, it is all somewhat exasperating. "People want to stay
as far away from this as possible," he sighs. "If he's as crazy as
people say, then even in lieu of experimental data, it should be
possible to get someone to say why he's crazy."

Outrunning Death

"Aubrey's always arguing against people who tell him he's crazy," says
Graham Pawelec, a professor of experimental immunology at the
University of Tübingen in Germany. "I have never heard him lose an
argument."

Mr. Pawelec is one of Mr. de Grey's staunch supporters. He quotes him
often, beginning sentences by saying "Remember what Aubrey tells us ...
." He puts a lot of stock in Mr. de Grey's "escape velocity" theory.
This is, in short, the idea that in the next 10 or 20 years science
will have advanced sufficiently to allow people to live for, say, 150
or 200 years. And then by the time those people turn 200, science will
have figured out how to allow them to live to 500. It is not that the
battle against aging will be over shortly, but that there will be
enough steady progress so that we can all live forever. More or less.

"In 10 years, we will have proof that we can cure these seven things
and therefore beat aging," says Mr. Pawelec, who spoke at the
conference on "immunorejuvenation" in the elderly. "All of my
mainstream colleagues will be up there saying Aubrey was right. And
then the general public will believe it."

But, even at Mr. de Grey's own conference, there was no shortage of
doubters. Among them was David Finkelstein, program administrator for
the Metabolic Regulation Program at the National Institute on Aging. He
came to the conference, he says, because it attracts "some of the most
creative scientists around." But he is definitely not one of Mr. de
Grey's acolytes. "Is there a kernel of truth in what Aubrey says?
Absolutely. Will it happen in the short term?" Mr. Finkelstein shakes
his head. "To say if we solve these seven things we'll live to 1,000?
That's hyperbole. I don't like hyperbole."

Mr. Finkelstein has little respect for Mr. de Grey's own research
contributions. "I am very underwhelmed," he says. The fact that Mr. de
Grey does not set foot inside a laboratory also bothers him: "Look, you
either work at the bench, or you don't work at the bench," he says.

Some of Mr. de Grey's more extreme statements make it hard to take him
seriously, according to Mr. Finkelstein: "There are people who say that
if Aubrey says it must be right then it must be wrong." At the same
time, despite his criticism, Mr. Finkelstein has some appreciation for
Mr. de Grey's role as provocateur. "I like him," he says. "He ruffles
feathers. He has the balls to say stuff."

The question is whether that stuff will prove to be true. Gregory M.
Fahy, a biologist and vice president and chief scientific officer of
21st Century Medicine, a biomedical research company, was very
skeptical at first. While they still do not agree on everything, Mr.
Fahy has been largely won over. And, like Mr. Finkelstein, he respects
Mr. de Grey for his courage in the face of ridicule. "If you think
you're right, you have to stand up and say what you believe even if
people think you're nuts," says Mr. Fahy. "Now, if they prove you're
nuts, you have to shut up. But that hasn't happened yet."

HOW TO CURE AGING

Aubrey de Grey has a seven-step plan he says will "cure" aging and
allow people to live for a very long time. Here it is:
1
The problem: Cell loss or atrophy
Mr. de Grey's solution: Develop stem cells to replace lost cells. Or
use chemicals that stimulate the division of cells to produce new ones.
2
The problem: Cancer
Mr. de Grey's solution: Aggressive gene therapy will make it impossible
for cancer cells to reproduce. Stem-cell therapy will prevent side
effects.
3
The problem: Mitochondrial mutations
Mr. de Grey's solution: Mitochondria are the cell's power plants, and
they house separate genes that are prone to harmful mutations that
cause diseases. To prevent those problems, copy the critical
mitochondrial genes and insert the copies in the cell's nucleus, where
they will be better protected.
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The problem: Unwanted cells (such as fat cells)
Mr. de Grey's solution: Possibly stimulate the immune system to kill
unwanted cells.
5
The problem: Stiffening of proteins outside the cell
Mr. de Grey's solution: Proteins outside cells help support tissues,
making arteries elastic and ligaments strong. But chemical reactions
throughout life link those proteins and make them less mobile. Specific
chemicals could break those links and allow the proteins to move more
easily. One chemical is already in clinical trials, says Mr. de Grey.
6
The problem: "Junk" outside the cell
Mr. de Grey's solution: Plaques accumulate outside the cell and may
lead to diseases such as Alzheimer's. Small molecules called
beta-breakers may break these plaques down.
7
The problem: "Junk" inside the cell
Mr. de Grey's solution: As cells age, molecules can change in ways that
make them stop working. Those structures can accumulate in cells and
and eventually overwhelm them. Extra enzymes from bacteria could be
given to cells to degrade the unwanted material.

More details can be found on his Web site:
(http://www.gen.cam.ac.uk/sens/AdGbio.htm)

En fait, je me demande de plus enplus s'il ne s'agit pas tout simplement d'un canular ?
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MessageSujet: Re: KUNDUN : la Présence.   Mer 9 Nov - 15:19

C'est sans doute une premier aperçu des réflexions sur les possibilités des travaux génétiques sur les cultures de cellule souches. Comme vous j'ai lu que des chercheurs envisagent de cultiver de véritables médicaments génétiques à partir de cellules souches (issus d'oeufs fécondés congelés de moins de 14 jours). La loi interdit je crois en France une bonne partie de ces travaux, puisqu'au delà de cette période de 14 jours les embryons commencent à apparaître, les cellules souches se différenciant en divers organes. La recherche sur le clonage va faire parler d'elle, Houellebeck a bien posé les jalons littéraires de cette révolution à venir...
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MessageSujet: Re: KUNDUN : la Présence.   Ven 11 Nov - 17:19

Bonjour,
Puisque vous citez des travaux de recherche, je vais dévier un peu, mais rester dans l'actualité et vous demander ce que vous pensez du travail du philosophe nippo-méricain Yasuhiko Kimura et des nouveaux penseurs "intégraux"ou "holistes"?
http://www.wie.org/FR/j22/kimura.asp
Le site fournit en version francaise des extraits d'articles du magazine américain What is Enlightenment ?
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MessageSujet: Re: KUNDUN : la Présence.   Ven 11 Nov - 18:02

Le texte en français, dont vous nous donnez le lien, est un entretien d'une remarquable clarté, où est effectuée une synthèse à la fois personnelle et convaincante de cette pensée née à la suite du mouvement du potentiel humain, et en particulier des travaux d'Abraham Maslow (qui doivent beaucoup à l'oeuvre préalable de Carl Gustav Jung).

C'est en effet dans le creuset "transpersonnel" qu'on a trouvé l'éclosion de ce que le New Age, aujourd'hui oublié, avait de plus cohérent. Bien entendu la pensée de Kimura puise aussi à de nombreuses sources familières du monde universitaire anglo-saxon que l'on peut assez aisément retrouver en filigrane (et pour les citer dans le désordre) : les travaux ensemblistes sur la théorie des ("meta") types logiques et l'oeuvre de Bertrand Russell, l'anthropologie de Gregory Bateson, la psychothérapie sociale paradoxale de Paul Watzalawick, la théorie des révolutions scientifiques ou "changements de paradigmes" de Thomas Khun, et la théorie de l'historicité d'Alain Touraine (qui comprend la notion d'accélération de l'histoire et de taux de changement historique ou forte historicité).

Comme quoi les idées mettent parfois du temps à faire leur chemin... A moins que les bonnes idées ne reviennent à point nommé lorsque les temps sont prêts pour elles.

La contribution que j'ai trouvé la plus originale dans cet entretien avec Kimura est celle sur l'intérêt du stress en tant que mécanisme d'adaptation et de transformation paradigmatique.

Dans l'ensemble j'ai aimé lire ce texte raisonnable et bien pensé, qui ne comporte aucune des citations de sources bibliographiques qui pourraient l'alourdir, et vous remercie, Vea, de nous inviter à son intéressante lecture.

La force de cet entretien est de réaliser en quelques paragraphes une synthèse concise et claire de tout un corpus complexe de contributions souvent hétérogènes, de lui rendre ses lettres de noblesse en soulignant son actualité... même si la transformation paradigmatique de la "conspiration du verseau" (the aquarian conspiracy) qui avait déjà été annoncée comme imminente par Marilyn Ferguson dans les années 80, ne semble pas produire cette "optimisation" globale dont parle Kimura.... du moins pas encore...


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MessageSujet: Re: KUNDUN : la Présence.   Mer 16 Nov - 20:42

Le dalaï-lama proclame sa foi dans la science
LE MONDE | 14.11.05 | 14h41 • Mis à jour le 14.11.05 | 14h53
WASHINGTON correspondance

Le dalaï-lama a connu le stress. Le sage bouddhiste l'a avoué à une dizaine de milliers de spécialistes du système nerveux et du cerveau venus du monde entier, samedi 12 novembre, à Washington, pour un congrès sur les neurosciences. Il a l'habitude de s'exprimer en public et de rencontrer les grands de ce monde, mais il avait le trac au moment de prendre la parole, à l'ouverture du congrès. Il était moins impressionné, le 9 novembre, quand il a été reçu par George Bush, au grand dam de Pékin, quelques jours avant le voyage du président américain en Chine.

La conférence du dalaï-lama a été précédée par quatre mois de polémiques. Plus de six cents personnes ont signé une pétition demandant son annulation, au motif qu'il ne faut pas mélanger science et religion, tandis qu'à peu près autant de signataires ont approuvé une contre-pétition favorable à la venue du dignitaire tibétain en exil.

La polémique a été renforcée par la tension extrême qui existe, aux Etats-Unis, entre les scientifiques et les groupes religieux favorables au créationnisme ou au "dessein intelligent", doctrines qui contredisent la théorie de l'évolution de Darwin. "Qui est le prochain, le pape ?" a demandé Philip Bickler, de l'Université de Californie, en signant la pétition contre le choix de cet invité. Pour Anna Marie Kenney, de l'institut Sloan-Kettering de New York, les spécialistes des neurosciences ne peuvent pas "prendre la tête du débat sur le dessein intelligent" s'ils "encouragent des leaders religieux" lors de leurs rencontres. Cependant, la portée de cette pétition a été affaiblie par la forte présence, parmi les signataires, de scientifiques d'origine chinoise dénonçant la transformation du congrès en "meeting politique".

Six participants, seulement, ont annulé leurs présentations, a expliqué Carol Barnes, présidente de la Société pour les neurosciences. Les scientifiques ont fait la queue plusieurs heures pour avoir une chance d'assister à la conférence et d'applaudir longuement Tenzin Gyatso, considéré par les Tibétains comme la quatorzième réincarnation du Bouddha de la compassion. Celui-ci a rapidement oublié son trac pour évoquer, dans un mélange de tibétain et de "broken English", ponctué d'éclats de rire et de raclements de gorge, les rapports entre la science et le bouddhisme. Il a réaffirmé ce qu'il écrivait dans une tribune du New York Times du 12 novembre : "Si la science prouve que certaines croyances du bouddhisme sont fausses, alors le bouddhisme les changera."

Le dalaï-lama a souvent expliqué que, s'il n'avait pas été moine, il serait devenu ingénieur. Il est passionné de mécanique, "sauf celle des ordinateurs". "Mon cerveau n'est pas adapté pour travailler avec des ordinateurs. C'est sans espoir", a-t-il reconnu dans un éclat de rire communicatif. Il était ami avec le philosophe des sciences Karl Popper et avec le physicien allemand Carl von Weizsäcker. Fin septembre, il participait à un débat au célèbre Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Son dernier essai publié, L'Univers dans un seul atome : la convergence de la science et de la spiritualité, a pourtant été critiqué par le New York Times, qui l'a qualifié de "version orientale du "dessein intelligent"".

Cela n'a pas fait perdre au dalaï-lama sa "foi dans la science". Les moines sont eux-mêmes des sujets d'expérience. Plusieurs d'entre eux, à commencer par le Français Matthieu Ricard, se laissent planter des électrodes dans le crâne et passent de nombreux examens IRM pour que les scientifiques puissent observer leur cerveau pendant les séances de méditation. Il a même répondu, sous forme de boutade : "Si une opération du cerveau permettait de produire les mêmes effets que plusieurs heures de méditation quotidienne, je me ferais opérer." La méditation fait l'objet de plusieurs présentations, qui semblent montrer qu'elle transforme la structure du cerveau. Les opposants à la venue du dalaï-lama contestent ces expériences.
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MessageSujet: Re: KUNDUN : la Présence.   Mer 16 Nov - 21:23

Article d'actualité, M.E., qui témoigne bien des débats de l'époque. Personnellement je ne suis pas a priori hostile à un examen attentif des thèses de l'intelligent design. Il semble même qu'entre un dalaï lama qui évoque un cycle des existences et des successions de kalpas sans commencement et sans fin, et le créationnisme des églises chrétiennes qui affirment un temps et un dieu de la création, il y a de divergences... mais il y a aussi des ressemblances.
Ce qui me réjouit en revanche, c'est que pour une fois on commence à remettre en cause l'autorité de Sa Sainteté quant à des questions de nature philosophique et scientifique, cela signale une évolution et une maturation de l'opinion pulbique internationale.
La communauté des chercheurs chinois de RPC aura un rôle important à jouer à l'avenir pour remettre à sa place Tenzin Gyamsto lorsque ce sera nécessaire, c'est à dire lorsqu'il vient jouer, au profit de ses propres réseaux, sur un terrain où il mêle habilement et médiatiquement le prosélytisme religieux en faveur du lamaïsme théocratique avec le dialogue désintéressé entre religion et science.


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MessageSujet: Re: KUNDUN : la Présence.   Mer 16 Nov - 22:51

Im a écrit:

Ce qui me réjouit en revanche, c'est que pour une fois on commence à remettre en cause l'autorité de Sa Sainteté quant à des questions de nature philosophique et scientifique, cela signale une évolution et une maturation de l'opinion pulbique internationale.

Bien vu; je m'en réjouis aussi. Sur la version papier du journal, la formule "Si la science prouve que certaines croyances du bouddhisme sont fausses, alors le bouuddhisme les changera. " était reprise en encadré... et puis j'imagine bien Mathieu Ricard, le fils de Claude Sarraute (?) et de ??? (!), avec des électrodes plein la tête, en train de méditer comme si de rien n'était.
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MessageSujet: Re: KUNDUN : la Présence.   Mer 16 Nov - 23:20

Matthieu Ricard est le fils de Yahne Le Toumelin, qui a pris les voeux de nonne bouddhiste.
Il serait bien dommage que chaque domaine d'exploration du vivant se cloisonne dans ses propres vues, surtout sur pression politiquement intéressée de chercheurs chinois.
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MessageSujet: Re: KUNDUN : la Présence.   Jeu 17 Nov - 0:43

Oui, Sandrine, vous avez bien raison en parlant de pression politiquement motivée de la part de ces chercheurs de RPC, mais dans un sens ils font oeuvre utile s'ils pointent du doigt et exposent la stratégie médiatique de Sa Sainteté visant à poursuivre la pénétration des milieux scientifiques entreprise depuis les années 90.

Sa Sainteté, ainsi que Matthieu, ancien scientifique lui-même à l'Institut Pasteur, je crois, ont bien compris que la science est en quelque sorte la religion d'aujourd'hui, et qu'elle décide des valeurs contemporaines, bien souvent.

Alors, ils se rapprochent, par une politique de petits pas, de l'institution scientifique, et de son potentiel de communication globale, en nouant des liens privilégiés avec des chercheurs, avec l'aide en particulier des chercheurs convertis au bouddhisme tibétain.

Qu'on signale dans le milieu académique chinois (RPC) la volonté de noyeautage possible de la communauté académique internationale des neuro-sciences est une bonne chose.

Après, parmi les scientifiques eux-même, et dans le grand public, chacun pourra se faire s'en faire une idée mieux informée. Au moins le débat aura lieu.

Enfin se pose une autre question, celle des alliances peut-être contre-nature que Sa Sainteté sera peut-être amené à consentir pour entrer plus avant dans les sphères d'influence du monde scientifique. Il est probable qu'aux Etats-Unis le mouvement créationniste puisse essayer d'utiliser Sa Sainteté et son image d'ouverture comme un cheval de Troie pour faire progresser l'idée de l'intelligent design dans l'opinion, mais pas seulement. Les chercheurs américains proches de la mouvance évangélique pourraient être tentés de se rapprocher de Sa Sainteté pour promouvoir grâce à son image plus libérale leur agenda anti avortement, contre la sexualité prémaritale et hostile à la communauté homosexuelle (en plus bien entendu de la modification des manuels scolaires où la notion de darwinisme devrait selon eux laisser la place à celle d'intelligent design). Car sur ces bases les "prolife" et Sa Sainteté ont plus de points en commun que de divergences.
Les entretiens médiatisés de Sa Sainteté avec George W. Bush (lui même ardent defenseur "prolife" et proche de ces mouvances évangéliques conservatrices) sont-ils des signes positifs d'intérêt vis-à-vis de la communauté tibétaine en exil donnés par le patron de la Maison Blanche en échange d'un "soutien amical" de Sa Sainteté à l'agenda de Bush (conservateur, créationniste, prolife, et hostile au mariage comme à l'adoption d'enfants par des couples homosexuels) ?
Il est peu probable que George W. Bush fasse à l'ancien maître du Potala un don sans contrepartie de son soutien politique. Et le seul pouvoir que Sa Sainteté a à échanger aujourd'hui contre ces faveurs américaines est celui de sa parole.


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MessageSujet: Re: KUNDUN : la Présence.   Mar 22 Nov - 22:20

Comme je le suggérais hier soir à Tinh’y, ce forum lui-même est vacuité…
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MessageSujet: Re: KUNDUN : la Présence.   Mar 22 Nov - 23:28

Maître EYA a écrit:
Comme je le suggérais hier soir à Tinh’y, ce forum lui-même est vacuité…

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MessageSujet: Un "nouveau Bouddha" attire des milliers de curieu   Dim 27 Nov - 23:44

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Un "nouveau Bouddha" attire des milliers de curieux dans la jungle népalaise

par Binaj Gurubacharya
AP | 23.11.05 | 17:20


KATMANDOU (AP) -- Certains sont convaincus qu'il est la réincarnation de Bouddha. Des milliers de curieux s'enfoncent chaque jour dans la jungle népalaise pour apercevoir un adolescent en pleine méditation, qui n'aurait pas bougé, ni mangé, ni bu, depuis six mois.
Ram Bahadur Banjan, 15 ans, reste immobile, les yeux clos, niché dans la position du lotus au creux des racines d'un arbre de la jungle de Bara, à environ 160km au sud de Katmandou. Il est censé être demeuré ainsi depuis le 17 mai mais ses fidèles le dérobent chaque nuit à la vue du public.
Un journaliste du journal "Kantipur", Sujit Mahat, a passé deux jours sur place. D'après lui, environ 10.000 personnes viendraient quotidiennement rendre visite au jeune homme.
Devant l'affluence, des militaires ont été déployés dans le secteur pour canaliser la foule. Un stationnement a été improvisé et des commerçants ont installé des stands à proximité de la retraite de l'adolescent, un lieu habituellement peu fréquenté.
Nombre de visiteurs croient se recueillir devant la réincarnation de Gautama Siddhartha, né dans le sud-ouest du Népal, non loin du site, aux environs de 500 avant Jésus-Christ, et vénéré ensuite comme Bouddha, "l'Eveillé".
La police, elle, mène l'enquête. "Nous avons une équipe (...) qui étudie sur ces affirmations pour savoir comment quelqu'un pourrait survivre si longtemps sans eau ni nourriture", explique l'inspecteur de police Chitra Bahadur Gurung. Ses hommes ont interrogé les proches de l'adolescent mais n'ont pu questionner directement le jeune homme, évidemment silencieux.
Les autorités locales ont aussi demandé à l'Académie royale népalaise des sciences et de technologie d'envoyer des scientifiques de Katmandou pour examiner l'adolescent.
D'après le journaliste Sujit Mahat, les visiteurs sont maintenus par un cordon à une distance 25 mètres du méditant, qu'ils ne peuvent apercevoir qu'en plein jour, de l'aube au crépuscule. Au coucher du soleil, ses proches placent un écran devant le jeune homme, le protégeant des regards.
"On ne peut pas dire ce qui arrive après la nuit tombée", explique Sujit Mahat. "Les gens n'ont pu voir que ce qui se passait dans la journée, et beaucoup pensait que c'était une sorte de Dieu".
Le bouddhisme compte environ 325 millions de fidèles, la majorité en Asie. Pour ceux qui l'approfondissent, cette religion enseigne l'art de rectifier sa pensée et de se contrôler pour tenter d'atteindre le nirvana, état divin de paix et félicité que seul peut expérimenter l'être débarrassé de tout désir. AP

Le Nouvel Obs

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On attend avec impatience la réponse des scientifiques népalais ...
Pour l'instant le Daila Lama ne dit rien, mais il doit être au courant ...
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MessageSujet: Re: KUNDUN : la Présence.   Lun 28 Nov - 0:01

Je viens de le voir au zapping de la semaine: six mois sans bouffer, en lotus au pied d'un banyan; il manquait plus que cela. Je pars l'âme en repos...

Subject: budha boy

Pilgrims flock to see 'Buddha boy' said to have fasted six months
By Thomas Bell in Bara District, Nepal
(Filed: 21/11/2005)

Thousands of pilgrims are pouring into the dense jungle of southern
Nepal to worship a 15-year-old boy who has been hailed as a new Buddha.

Devotees claim that Ram Bomjon, who is silently meditating beneath a
tree, has not eaten or drunk anything since he sat down at his chosen
spot six months ago.

Ram Bomjon maintains his vigil in the shade of his pipal tree

Witnesses say they have seen light emanating from the teenager's
forehead.

"It looks a bit like when you shine a torch through your hand," said
Tek Bahadur Lama, a member of the committee responsible for dealing
with the growing number of visitors from India and elsewhere in Nepal.

Photographs of Ram Bomjon, available for five rupees (4p) from his
makeshift shrine, have become ubiquitous across the region. "Far and
wide, it's the only topic of conversation," said Upendra Lamichami, a
local journalist.

He said no allegation had yet emerged of Ram breaking his fast or
moving, even to relieve himself.

Santa Raj Subedi, the chief government official in Bara district,
appealed to the capital, Kathmandu, for assistance in dealing with the
influx of visitors, and for a team of scients to examine the case.

Local doctors failed to reach a final conclusion, although they were
allowed no closer than five yards from the boy mystic, declaring that
they could confirm no more than that he was alive.

The popularity of the phenomenon is partly because it resembles an
episode in the life of the historical Buddha, who was born 160 miles
away around 543 BC. The Buddha achieved enlightenment when he meditated
beneath a sacred pipal tree for 49 days.

Ram Bomjon is also sitting beneath a pipal tree, in the same posture as
the Buddha is depicted, but his vigil has already taken longer.

Ram's mother, who is called Maya Devi, like the Buddha's mother, admits
to anxiety, particularly at meal times. But she tells herself: "God
took him to the forest and I have faith that God will feed him."

She said: "He's definitely got thinner. Early in the morning he looks
sunken, like there's no blood in him, but as the sun rises he seems to
get brighter and brighter."

The fervour increased last week when a snake is said to have bitten
Ram, and a curtain was drawn around him.

After five days it was opened and he spoke. "Tell the people not to
call me a Buddha. I don't have the Buddha's energy. I am at the level
of rinpoche [lesser divinity].

"A snake bit me but I do not need treatment. I need six years of deep
meditation."

Despite his protestations, "Buddha boy" is famous.

A thriving market has grown in the once pristine forest, supplying
pilgrims with everything from chewing tobacco and bicycle repairs to
incense and sacred amulets. The ground is covered in litter.

A fence was built around Ram's tree to prevent pilgrims prodding him,
then a second, and now a third is planned, as well as a bus park,
leaving Ram at the centre of an ever growing circle of rubbish.

Prakash Lamsal, a businessman said: "Some people are selling 2,500
rupees [£20] worth of tea a day.

"These lamas [monks] are going to build mansions out of this. If I
wasn't a bit embarrassed I'd take a van down there and set up a stall."


J'ai aussi entendu dire que le Christ vit incognito à Londres, sous l'apparence d'un homme d'affaires pakistanais habillé tout en blanc.

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